[ProgSoc] Progsoc debate?
myles at myles.id.au
Thu Apr 17 18:32:21 EST 2008
On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Nathan de Vries <nathan at atnan.com> wrote:
> This might be a bit of a misnomer, because while Java is (sometimes
> arguably) backwards compatible at the bytecode level, language features
> that the tools need to refactor are not. For instance, if you want to
> start refactoring some code that uses generics, your tools will need to
> understand what generics are (i.e JDK5.0+) despite the fact that the
> compiler is turning your generics code into the same bytecode that you
> would have been producing without generics support.
Sure, the language is always a bit ahead of the tools but the tools
catch up. It's more of "I can't wait for C# 3 support in Resharper"
rather than "I wonder if someone can hack sourcefilter support into
emacs". That culture split is what I'm getting at.
> > I heard on a podcast the first version was written in smalltalk, then
> > they gradually swapped bits out for Java implementations.
> If you can find out what podcast it was, I wouldn't mind having a
It was probably cincom's. According to wikipedia VisualAge Micro
Edition for Java "morphed" into Eclipse. I'm guessing the marketing
department helped there.
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